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Clearly this is incredibly topical, we have the whole subject of conflicts of interest, and who pays whom and what they get for it has been of massive interest to journalists like me for a very long time. And it's very interesting to see developments, not only in the pharmaceutical industry but many other areas as well and within medicine and healthcare.

The ABPI Code of Practice has not been a static thing it has developed and grown, and the disclosing of payments to doctors and nurses and clinical professionals was a big, an important step, and the creation of a searchable database is a powerful and important step.

I do not think anyone thinks it's the last word, but these are really tangible and important leadership moments that are changing the culture in the industry internationally,

Really it's an opportunity for us to disclose not only on the issues of payments but really why those payments happen so what are the participations when the collaboration that we are involved with, with, with doctors and nurses and patients and really excited to do that because if we think this is fundamentals to the way we drive innovation in medicine. So, really happy to be here today. It's very important when we are commissioning healthcare today that we see that conflict and payment, whether it's relevant coming through funding streams for work programmes, there's a whole issue around funding and also about conflict that we need to have in the transparency how they're in the public domain. It's critically important if you're going to deliver solutions and be successful for patients. It goes without saying we need to collaborate. So we've actually been at the forefront of collaboration with all stakeholders including industry, actually for 20 years and we know pretty much part with industry and almost everything we do in the context of research, but at every step we have to be transparent and open, and if we're not prepared to do that and we should not be doing what we're doing.

We need to just know that we need industry. We need industry to invest to bring their discipline their skills to bring us these products somebody made the point earlier, very few of us will be sitting here healthy as we are tonight if it was not for this industry's achievements in the last 50 years 850,000 People living with cancer now is a treatable disease so extraordinary industry and we should celebrate it, but we cannot take industry for granted. And I worry that a total anti industry based approach to total transparency we will end up. There's a danger we end up killing the goose that lays the golden egg

industry has been on a journey, I would say a pathway to changing the way that we operate and disclosure really is a significant step forward in terms of transparency and payments, allowing doctors to voluntarily declare their earnings ministry, but not say what that was for I think is actually wrong I think could make the situation worse, it may appear that we're doing more of an actually we're doing less but maybe allowing a small amount of doctors to really play the system that actually it's absolutely appropriate that we pay the right amount for that advice as you do in any industry when you get expertise. If we could actually work with the pharmaceutical industry and not consider them to be the evil empire. Okay, and then names only plastered on the front page if they do something wrong, and not mentioned at all when they do have a breakthrough drug, which happens all the time, then I think you'll find that people will be much happier to disclose, and as a professional body. We've been really clear that we expect people to declare everything at any interest I have, I fundamentally believe that the collaboration is critically important to the ferment of pharmaceutical science. And if we can not do that and do that in a way that both parties are happy about it. Then, You know, I think that's really doing patients a disservice if we put patient voice right at the heart of it, I do not think we can go far wrong and I think that will drive us into accelerators into this landscape of more transparent healthcare innovation ecosystem, which I think is genuinely, in the interest of all of us and it offers a win-win for patients for the NHS and for industry.